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of the Crown, opposing it, but no instructions were given to Mr Day or Mr Turner from me.
Attorney General. Did you not tell him afterwards? Dr Bridges.--I said to Mr Day that the whole matter should be thoroughly gone into.
Attorney General-Are you not aware that complaints have been made on the subject?
Attorney General.—Did he not send a Chinese to you last sessions?
Dr Bridges. Yes. It was a case in which I believe Mr Caldwell was very anxious to procure a conviction In Ma-chow Wong's case, I was retained against him by Tam Achoy.
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unicated it. nothing of it till it was printed. I do not know who com-
Attorney General-Do you remember a letter of the Attorney General stating Tong Akü had been driven from the Colony by the combination of Mr Caldwell and Ma-chow Wong?
well upon any matter of State or Police, nor can I finds auy trace of it in his correspondence with one exception. and that was a wish on his part that no information should be given to Mr Caldwell or Ma-chow Wong, then a prisoner.
That certain parties intended to apply for a writ of Habeas Corpus to deliver Viceroy Yeh from the Allied Authorities during his stay in this Harbour, and which machinations the Attorney General was prepared to defeat I have no prescriptive right to destroy any document in the public offices."
Dr Bridges.-I remember a letter on the subject; I can- Attorney General. Are you sure that the Executivot say whether Mr Caldwell's name was mentioned as a Dr Bridges. This is the first time I have heard of Council inquired into the matter of the petition at all?
participator. anything of the kind.
Dr Bridges.-Yes. They were several days inquiring Attorny General.-Do you remember a letter of mine into the matter. I do not know whether the minutes of complaining that the Government had ordered all Ma- Council are to be produced.
chow Wong's property to be given up to his concubine, and Attorney General.-Was it not at one time determined that she now traded therewith? to grant the petition?
Dr Bridges. I will not say there was no such letter, not to his connection with the Ma-chow Wong business,
Attorney General-Then Mr Day has made a most improper and incorrect statement.
Dr Bridges. I have no doubt that he would have ta- ken any instructions from me to accept an apology or re- tractation; my impression is that Mr Day saw the Gov- ernor on the subject, but not me; I gave no advice as to this prosecution one way or other. The Governor said it should be, and I said nothing.
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Dr Bridges.-There never was any determination but I do not remember it. pardon Ma-chow Wong,
Attorney General.—You remember Mr Dixson saying he was to be pardoned. Was not the Executive Cound Attorney General. Who brought the petition of Ma-summoned for the express purpose of enquiring into the chow Wong's friends to you?
Dr Bridges. I think Mr Day; he attempted to control the Commission several times, but they declined to be checked by him, and would not be stopped when witnesses
was not there to control them, but only to put questions.
Attorney General. Did not Mr Day say he would not allow some question to be put, and the Commission bowed
verity of that?
Dr Bridges.-No, I believe not.
Attorney General-Do you still adhere to your state ment that the Executive Council was summoned not
the matter?
Mr Anstey refers to his letter about the Pawnbroker's case.)
Dr Bridges.I have a general recollection of that letter Attorney General. Was not the writer complimented this last letter and thanked for the information it con- tained?
Dr Bridges. I am not prepared to alter that. The matters are entirely distinct, the letters you have referred to relate to Mr Caldwell's employment as an Interpreter,
the exception was in the affair of Yeh's capture. You were anxious that Mr Caldwell should be kept in ignor ance thereof; with that exception you never gave any warning at all.
Attorney General.-At all events there were frequent references if not warnings?
Dr Bridges.-I adhere to the statement I made. Dr Bridges. Yes, I believe so.
Attorney General. Upon Eli Boggs making a certain Attorney General --Do you remember a conversation statement on his trial, as to Ma-chow Wong's connection
were going into irrelavent matters. He was told that he inquire into the charges, but to advise the Governor which we had at your office respecting Mr May wondering with pirates, the Attorney General, in his monthly report hat the Government placed so much confidence in Mr drew the attention of the Government to it, and recom Dr Bridges.--I think there had been one if not two Caldwell?
mended that the opinion of Mr May and Mr Inglis should meetings before, and one or two after Mr Dixson's article Dr Bridges.-Yes, and my answer was that I left noth-be taken as to the connection between Ma-chow Wong, There were other charges preferred against Ma-chong to his discretion. We did not trust him more than and pirates. Do you remember saying that Eli Boggs's Wong besides the one upon which he was convicted.
statement was calculated to inflict a deep stain on the Attorney General.—Then you were prepared to advise
Government unless disproved? the Governor to pardon him?
thereto ?
Dr Bridges.-No; not to my recollection. Attorney General. Are you aware that Mr Day ruled that hearsay evidence of relationship could not be received in the case of Shaplok, and the Commission in conse- quence rejected no less than six available witnesses on that absurd ground?
ay one else. He merely obeyed the orders given him.
Attorney General. Do you remember my saying that should require strong additional evidence in cases of Dr Bridges. You must not jump to conclusions.iracy, &c., where Mr Caldwell was concerned, because had known the man a long time, and my only doubt way believed Caldwell to be identical with Ma-chow Wong? how we could detain him on such insufficient evidence Dr Bridges. I remember that in one case you would was brought forward. Mr Kingsmill, then Acting Atterot find a bill because the Caldwells were mixed up with
Dr Bridges.—I do not remember anything of the kind, Attorney General.--To whom did he give the petition?ney General, informed ine that a "Nolle prosequi” had been entered on the other charge, and proposed to withdraw it and prosecute the man. The Chief Justice declined allow that to be done.
Dr Bridges.—To me I think. I had previously seen Mr Caldwell on the question of cutting off Ma-chow Wong's tail; I asked Mr Inglis to postpone it for that night, till
I could speak to the Governor about it.
Attorney General.--Has not Mr Inglis general orders
to cut off the tails of all Chinese prisoners as soon as he receives them in charge?
ly he receives them.
Attorney General.--Why should you interfere in such
a case?
Court. Had such an application been made, I should have declined to grant it.
Attorney General.--It would have been a most indecent and improper application.
Dr Bridges.-A vote is not advice, but I was not pres
Attorney General.—Do you remember Mr Wade men- ning that I had strong confirmation of my opinion in that case?
Dr Bridges.-I cannot rememember his speaking of
ny such conversation.
Attomley General.—I find in your depositions before the lagistrate in this case that it is stated.
Dr Bridges.-No. He has to do it, but not immediate-pared to advise the pardon at that time.
With reference to page 32 of the minutes of the Com ission, Mr Anstey's evidence, commencing at the words Attorney General.-Was not the Governor inclined to I cannot understand how” Mr Tarrant asks the witness pardon the man?
That information he can give with regard this passage Dr Bridges. I should say if he had any mind one way eponent states.
In consequence of this statement, I have or the other, it was for pardoning him, but his mind was errused every letter written by Mr Anstey to the Govern not made up; he wished the Executive Council to deciderent since his appointment i.e. between his appointment
Attorney General Do you remember his coming down
Dr Bridges. Because I thought proper, and I thought it a trivial matter in which I might exercise my own judgment.
Attorney General.-Have you not been on very intimate terms with Mr Caldwell?
Dr Bridges. I never had any intimate connection with Mr Caldwell; he may occasionally, like a great ma- ny other people, have recommended me Chinese clients, and now that I have left the Government I should be very much obliged to any one else to do the same,
in his carriage to the Court House, and having interview! with Mr Caldwell on the subject?
Dr Bridges. No.
Dr Bridges. I remember a reference being made to Mr May and Mr Inglis on the subject of Mr Caldwell's connection with Machow Wong.There is no doubt as to their reports having been written at your suggestion.
Dr Bridges. That of 8th July, 1857, bears strongly against Ma-chow Wong, but not against Caldwell.
Attorney General.—Do you recollect my recomunending, that the Chinese should be informed that the Government would not employ Ma-chow Wong any more?
Dr Bridges.--Yes.
Attorney General.—Mr Davies and Mr Cleverly spoke of several letters received from the Attorney General about the danger of employing Mr Caldwell, all these letters were laid before the Commission. These gentlemen you see differ very strongly from you?
Dr Bridges-My opportunities of being informed and- my memory are as good as those of the Chief Magistrate or Mr Cleverly.
Attorney General. Before Mr Tarrant retained Counsel,
the 10th May. My official knowledge of what he, why did he meet with the refusal to his application that Anstey, had done only dates from February 1857. 1 these documents should be laid before the Magistrate?
Dr Bridges. I have no remembrance of any such letter ave gone through the official correspondence from the st, and speak personally of the period from 15th Febru-having been written by Mr Tarrant; at that time, I was Attorney General. What was the Lieut. Governor 1857 to 10th May 1858, the books and documents absent three days on a trip to Namtow, I never heard of opinion?
aving been destroyed in March last, and during that any instructions being given to oppose Mr Tarrant's ap- Afterwards, I re- I am not aware of Mr Anstey having ever made any plication for Subpoena duces tecum. ference whatsoever to the danger of employing Mr Caldineniber Mr Cooper Turner conducting the case on behalf
Dr Bridges.—If he expressed any opinion at all it wa against Ma-chow Wong. As to the General, I cannot say
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of the Crown, opposing it, but no instructions were given to Mr Day or Mr Turner from me.
Attorney General. Did you not tell him afterwards? Dr Bridges.--I said to Mr Day that the whole matter should be thoroughly gone into.
Attorney General-Are you not aware that complaints have been made on the subject?
Attorney General.—Did he not send a Chinese to you
last sessions?
Dr Bridges. Yes. It was a case in which I believe Mr Caldwell was very anxious to procure a conviction In Ma-chow Wong's case, I was retained against him by Tam Achoy.
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unicated it. nothing of it till it was printed. I do not know who com-
Attorney General-Do you remember a letter of the Attorney General stating Tong Akü had been driven from the Colony by the combination of Mr Caldwell and Ma-chow Wong?
well upon any matter of State or Police, nor can I finds auy trace of it in his correspondence with one exception. and that was a wish on his part that no information should be given to Mr Caldwell or Ma-chow Wong, then a pri-
soner.
That certain parties intended to apply for a writ of Habeas Corpus to deliver Viceroy Yeh from the Allied Authorities during his stay in this Harbour, and which machinations the Attorney General was prepared to defeat I have no prescriptive right to destroy any document in the public offices."
Dr Bridges.-I remember a letter on the subject; I can- Attorney General. Are you sure that the Executivot say whether Mr Caldwell's name was mentioned as a Dr Bridges. This is the first time I have heard of Council inquired into the matter of the petition at all?
participator. anything of the kind.
Dr Bridges.-Yes. They were several days inquiring Attorny General.-Do you remember a letter of mine into the matter. I do not know whether the minutes of complaining that the Government had ordered all Ma- Council are to be produced.
chow Wong's property to be given up to his concubine, and Attorney General.-Was it not at one time determined that she now traded therewith? to grant the petition?
Dr Bridges. I will not say there was no such letter, not to his connection with the Ma-chow Wong business,
Attorney General-Then Mr Day has made a most improper and incorrect statement.
Dr Bridges. I have no doubt that he would have ta- ken any instructions from me to accept an apology or re- tractation; my impression is that Mr Day saw the Gov- ernor on the subject, but not me; I gave no advice as to this prosecution one way or other. The Governor said it should be, and I said nothing.
E
Dr Bridges.-There never was any determination but I do not remember it. pardon Ma-chow Wong,
Attorney General.—You remember Mr Dixson saying he was to be pardoned. Was not the Executive Cound Attorney General. Who brought the petition of Ma-summoned for the express purpose of enquiring into the chow Wong's friends to you?
Dr Bridges. I think Mr Day; he attempted to control the Commission several times, but they declined to be checked by him, and would not be stopped when witnesses
was not there to control them, but only to put questions.
Attorney General. Did not Mr Day say he would not allow some question to be put, and the Commission bowed
verity of that?
Dr Bridges.-No, I believe not.
Attorney General-Do you still adhere to your state ment that the Executive Council was summoned not
the matter?
Mr Anstey refers to his letter about the Pawnbroker's case.)
Dr Bridges.I have a general recollection of that letter Attorney General. Was not the writer complimented this last letter and thanked for the information it con- tained?
Dr Bridges. I am not prepared to alter that. The matters are entirely distinct, the letters you have referred to relate to Mr Caldwell's employment as an Interpreter,
the exception was in the affair of Yeh's capture. You were anxious that Mr Caldwell should be kept in ignor ance thereof; with that exception you never gave any warning at all.
Attorney General.-At all events there were frequent references if not warnings?
Dr Bridges.-I adhere to the statement I made. Dr Bridges. Yes, I believe so.
Attorney General. Upon Eli Boggs making a certain Attorney General --Do you remember a conversation statement on his trial, as to Ma-chow Wong's connection
were going into irrelavent matters. He was told that he inquire into the charges, but to advise the Governor which we had at your office respecting Mr May wondering with pirates, the Attorney General, in his monthly report hat the Government placed so much confidence in Mr drew the attention of the Government to it, and recom Dr Bridges.--I think there had been one if not two Caldwell?
mended that the opinion of Mr May and Mr Inglis should meetings before, and one or two after Mr Dixson's article Dr Bridges.-Yes, and my answer was that I left noth-be taken as to the connection between Ma-chow Wong, There were other charges preferred against Ma-chong to his discretion. We did not trust him more than and pirates. Do you remember saying that Eli Boggs's Wong besides the one upon which he was convicted.
statement was calculated to inflict a deep stain on the Attorney General.—Then you were prepared to advise
Government unless disproved? the Governor to pardon him?
thereto ?
Dr Bridges.-No; not to my recollection. Attorney General. Are you aware that Mr Day ruled that hearsay evidence of relationship could not be received in the case of Shaplok, and the Commission in conse- quence rejected no less than six available witnesses on that absurd ground?
ay one else. He merely obeyed the orders given him.
Attorney General. Do you remember my saying that should require strong additional evidence in cases of Dr Bridges. You must not jump to conclusions.iracy, &c., where Mr Caldwell was concerned, because had known the man a long time, and my only doubt way believed Caldwell to be identical with Ma-chow Wong? how we could detain him on such insufficient evidence Dr Bridges. I remember that in one case you would was brought forward. Mr Kingsmill, then Acting Atterot find a bill because the Caldwells were mixed up with
Dr Bridges.—I do not remember anything of the kind, Attorney General.--To whom did he give the petition?ney General, informed ine that a "Nolle prosequi” had been entered on the other charge, and proposed to withdraw it and prosecute the man. The Chief Justice declined allow that to be done.
Dr Bridges.—To me I think. I had previously seen Mr Caldwell on the question of cutting off Ma-chow Wong's tail; I asked Mr Inglis to postpone it for that night, till
I could speak to the Governor about it.
Attorney General.--Has not Mr Inglis general orders
to cut off the tails of all Chinese prisoners as soon as he receives them in charge?
ly he receives them.
Attorney General.--Why should you interfere in such
a case?
Court. Had such an application been made, I should have declined to grant it.
Attorney General.--It would have been a most indecent and improper application.
Dr Bridges.-A vote is not advice, but I was not pres
Attorney General.—Do you remember Mr Wade men- ning that I had strong confirmation of my opinion in that case?
Dr Bridges.-I cannot rememember his speaking of
ny such conversation.
Attomley General.—I find in your depositions before the lagistrate in this case that it is stated.
Dr Bridges.-No. He has to do it, but not immediate-pared to advise the pardon at that time.
With reference to page 32 of the minutes of the Com ission, Mr Anstey's evidence, commencing at the words Attorney General.-Was not the Governor inclined to I cannot understand how” Mr Tarrant asks the witness pardon the man?
That information he can give with regard this passage Dr Bridges. I should say if he had any mind one way eponent states.
In consequence of this statement, I have or the other, it was for pardoning him, but his mind was errused every letter written by Mr Anstey to the Govern not made up; he wished the Executive Council to deciderent since his appointment i.e. between his appointment
Attorney General Do you remember his coming down
Dr Bridges. Because I thought proper, and I thought it a trivial matter in which I might exercise my own judgment.
Attorney General.-Have you not been on very intimate terms with Mr Caldwell?
Dr Bridges. I never had any intimate connection with Mr Caldwell; he may occasionally, like a great ma- ny other people, have recommended me Chinese clients, and now that I have left the Government I should be very much obliged to any one else to do the same,
in his carriage to the Court House, and having interview! with Mr Caldwell on the subject?
Dr Bridges. No.
Dr Bridges. I remember a reference being made to Mr May and Mr Inglis on the subject of Mr Caldwell's connection with Machow Wong.There is no doubt as to their reports having been written at your suggestion.
Dr Bridges. That of 8th July, 1857, bears strongly against Ma-chow Wong, but not against Caldwell.
Attorney General.—Do you recollect my recomunending, that the Chinese should be informed that the Government would not employ Ma-chow Wong any more?
Dr Bridges.--Yes.
Attorney General.—Mr Davies and Mr Cleverly spoke of several letters received from the Attorney General about the danger of employing Mr Caldwell, all these letters were laid before the Commission. These gentlemen you see differ very strongly from you?
Dr Bridges-My opportunities of being informed and- my memory are as good as those of the Chief Magistrate or Mr Cleverly.
Attorney General. Before Mr Tarrant retained Counsel,
the 10th May. My official knowledge of what he, why did he meet with the refusal to his application that Anstey, had done only dates from February 1857. 1 these documents should be laid before the Magistrate?
Dr Bridges. I have no remembrance of any such letter ave gone through the official correspondence from the st, and speak personally of the period from 15th Febru-having been written by Mr Tarrant; at that time, I was Attorney General. What was the Lieut. Governor 1857 to 10th May 1858, the books and documents absent three days on a trip to Namtow, I never heard of opinion?
aving been destroyed in March last, and during that any instructions being given to oppose Mr Tarrant's ap- Afterwards, I re- I am not aware of Mr Anstey having ever made any plication for Subpoena duces tecum. ference whatsoever to the danger of employing Mr Caldineniber Mr Cooper Turner conducting the case on behalf
Dr Bridges.—If he expressed any opinion at all it wa against Ma-chow Wong. As to the General, I cannot say
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